The "reasonable" hatred

This is to reveal a recent board of discussions developed between me and a greek “journalist” named Ioannis Michaletos. The reasons of such reaction can be found in some of his articles published at http://www.serbianna.com/ , all of which aim at one single target;
Albanians and clockwork endeavors to defamate their image.
The board developed as follows, where you may read the real reasons that push Michaletos to maintain such a stand, as well as some other pretty unexpected and interesting developments…
Curious? Continue to scroll down and enjoy your reading!



First board of discussion as regarding:
serbianna.com
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Me, To: michaletos@serbianna.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:27:26 +0000
Subject: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans

Immigration from northern Albania toward Kosova in the 50s?
You must be joking...
Are you a journalist or a historian, or just another Greek from the "eteiria"?
Why are you writing this anyway, what do you expect to achieve with it?
The facts of history are completely against what you've just said.
There has been a mass immigration of Albanians, but never towards Kosova.
As a matter of fact, Tito ousted at least 500 000 Albanians from Kosova, who mainly went to Turkey and the western world.
Even today, if you see the demographic map of Kosova, you will have a hard time not to understand that Serbs in Kosova are outcomers and simple economic settlers. They mostly live in ethnic isles totally surrounded by Albanian masses. It would be hard for any Greek to explain how this could have happened in a state where Albanians didn't enjoy any human rights whatsoever(they did have some rights during only 15 years, from 74 to 89 though).
If it was something you could explain, then you wouldn't find any difficulties to explain the almost complete Albanian disappearance from Greece.
We all know that it was Albanians who created Greece. We all know it was Albanians who fought against Turkey and the ottomans that freed Greece and gave all the peoples of Ellada(Hellas) a state. We all know it was Marko Bochari, Kolokotroni, Bubulina, Miauli, Odhiseas who fought the revolution, as we all know the fact that they are today, the main heroes of modern Greece, as we know today the fact that they were all killed by the Greeks.
Will you still try to excuse your nation's genocide and crimes against humanity by taking the side of other genocidal nations?
What's it really worth???
Your culture? Your nation? Your nation's integrity? Your future?
You(Greeks) are already 60% of Albanian blood... how much more do you need? if you really hate Albanians so much, why don't you go to your Arab, Ethiopian and Egyptian ancestors then? Shame on you. You could be Albanian yourself... it really does appall me, it's such a shame.

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Response of Michaletos to me:
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:56:38 +0200
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans

Hi Zotrules,
I will try to answer to your questions-comments.

The immigration from Albania to Kosovo started in 1948 when Tito opened the borders and accepted 150,000 Northern Albanians (Ghegis) that were viewed as an opposition to the Xonja regime. Why did Tito made that decision?
In order to gain influence to the Albanian world because he phantasized a "Socialist union" between Yugoslavia and Albania(That happened when Tito came into opposite terms with Stalin). Actually a lot of these Albanians paid their services to the Tito regime for most of the "Cold war " years.
About the immigration of Albanians from Kosovo to W. Europe (Swizerland etc) this was a phenomenon widespread in the Balkans during the 60's-70's. Albanians, Greeks, Croatian and Serbs massively immigrated to Northern Europe after bilateral agreements between Germany mostly.

About the ancestry of Greeks, it could also be vice-versa! Meaning, modern day Albanians are Greeks! As far as I know and read, no respectable anthropologist refers to Albanian heritage of Greeks up to 60%. There are many Greeks "Arvanites" that their ancestors had a mixed Albanian-Slavic heritage but they are actually concetrated in less than 1% of the Greek population. They became mostly "Famous" because their habitation is mostly in the outskirts of Athens and not in some remote mountain or a small island. They are actually very nationalist in their outlook much more than any other Greek.

About the whole of the article, it is a presentation of the countries in the Balkans that have major Muslim communities. I could have written a similar article on Catholics or Jews but I think that the public is more interested about Muslim communities because of their influence and impact.
Lastly I have never stated -or implied indirectly- that I hate Albanians or any other nation. What I do though, is to present events-analysis or perspectives that might not be on the interest of the Albanian side; If you judge it by the present state of affairs in the Balkans, future might provide all of us with many surprises.
At this point I will like to state an anecdote by Victor Hugo, "War is the fight between men, peace is the fight between ideas"
I prefer peace and ideas and I think you will agree with me to that.

I am always available for your comments

Ioannis

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Response to Michaletos.
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:25:01 +0000
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans


Part 1:
Well, there's never been an opening of borders between Albania and Yugoslavia. This you should know very well. But just because you are greek(thence, automatically anti-Albanian), you can't admit it, as it supports the Albanian side.
In fact, the Albanian borders have been fully barred in order to stop any possible flux of people.
As a matter of fact, it has happened the contrary, whereas, Albania itself, and not Yugoslavia, sheltered tens of thousands of war refugees from Kosova.
Their villages are still in south-central Albania, and they are still compact communities, although these albanians speak a Gheg dialect, they're in the middle of a Tosk-speaking milieu. Their communities are in the area of Myzeqe, and Fier. But surely, you don't know anything about that.
As a matter of fact, my mother comes from the extreme north of Albania, just two steps from Kosova, and they have been there, from 14 generations, although, they too were CATHOLIC Albanians from Kosova some 5 centuries ago, so, there's never been recorded any migratory flux from Albania towards Kosova, au contraire, we've always seen our brothers flooding into Albania, thanks to Serb genocide.
These albanians from Kosova, still speak a different dialect from the Ghegs of the immediate northern Albania.
These migratory streams have been recorded and evidence of it can be found in any respectable encyclopedia, not only states' archives. They are historical facts, and have nothing to do with Serbian or greek fantasy.

As for the Greek fantasy, you have very well portrayed it below.
Arvanites, are of Albanian descent, and have no links whatsoever with the Slavs populations, nor even those of the modern Greece's Macedonia.
Arvanites are Albanians of the Tosk dialect, therefore, the natural continuity of the Albanian population according to the natural geography's continuum of the Balkans, and more specifically, the geography of that what today you call Greece.

Thence, you're still out of line, especially when you say they're less than 1% of the greek population, and that they were mostly in the outskirts of Athens, and not from some island or mountain.
As a matter of fact, Kolokotronis, was a pure Albanian, of pure Albanian descent, and not even an ethnic Arvanite, as those millennial Arvanites of modern and ancient Greece. And he came from a region of purely Albanian population.
So did Lina Bubulina, she came from a remote island, and had nothing to do with Athens or its outskirts. So did Odhiseas, who came directly from the court and schools of Ali Pasha Tepelena.
And, Arvanites, forcefully if not willingly are strongly nationalists, who still to date claim the Albanian origin of not only modern Greece, but accentually, that of ancient Greece, mythology, traditions, culture, and the whole heritage, omitting though, what Egyptians, Phoenicians and near eastern hordes of people introduced to the ancient albanians, the Pelasgians, - Epirots, Thessalians, Thracchians, Illyrians, Macedonians and Etruscans, Dardans... If not for other, more than anything else, they cling to the Greek identity, to prove to the rest of Greece that they have some Albanian descent and owe everything to the Albanians.
To end this message, i will attach excerpts from a book, whose title i will not tell you, because i suppose you MUST be in knowledge of it, nonetheless of all the historical blunders you've been writing. Now, please take some 5 minutes and read about the Greek revolution and what really happened in Greece. I don't see why you should have any objections. The title of the book will i give to you next time.

Click on image to enlarge.
(images; googleboox)
Part 2:
...continues
As for Greece, you have done the same as Serbs, if not worse.
There's no connection whatsoever between the two peoples, the Albanians and the Slavs, but it's not the same as with Albanians and Greeks; so the yoke of guilt should burden your consciences far more than some tundra-escaped Slavs.
After reading the two excerpts i suppose i should add this other here.
This has been verified and archived in the united nations assembly, as well as all the other great powers of the post WW2.
Therefore, you can very easily confirm it, verify the source or any possible historical facts and evidence, or, allegations as they may sound to you.

The attachment is the penultimate greek genocide over albanians.
DOCUMENT(Declaration) OF THE COMMITTEE OF CHAM ALBANIANS
(clicking on link redirects)
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Response of Michaletos to me:
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:20:49 +0200
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans



Hi Zotrules,

I'll start by the Tsami declaration. It is true that Greek-Paramilitary forces- drove most of the Tsami from Eipiros in 1945. There was a public outcry for their role in collaborating with the Italians and Germans during WW2 and commited many massacres to civilian population. If the Greek state was against the Tsami -Because it hated them etc- it could have included them in 1923 exchange of population between Greece&Turkey. The Lauzanne treaty(1923) stated that Muslims from Greece should be exchanged with Orthodox Christians from Asia. Actually the Tsami were initially a part of these "Deal" but the Greek state replied that they don't account as a part of the treaty. So they stayed and that is a clear sign that there was not an initial sentiment of hostility. After the end of the WW2 all around Eastern Europe the ones who collaborated were forced to leave.
Some examples: Germans from Poland and Czechoslovakia, Kozachs persecuted by the Russians, Germans from Alsatia in France, Hungarians from Slovakia etc.


About the book, it is certainly written by a Conservative Brit, I suspect it is the report given to an aspiring Greek King -The then King of Belgium Leopold Sax Comburg-, or to the heir of the Gluxburg Dynasty that eventually became King of Greece. The British Imperialism was exercising the rule "Divide & rule" and used neighborhood countries and their minorities as pressure instruments against each other. It doesn't surprise that refers to a 25% Albanian population and doesn't refer to Slavs, Italians and Jews living in Greece. Its a good start to have a domestic division(That didn't happen ofcourse)


About the "immigration" of Ghegi after WW2 to Kosovo. The facts are as follows:

Tito didn't allow the return of Serb refugees that left during the war because of the German-Albanian domination of the area but he deliberately left borders unsecured from 1944-1949 hence 150,000 Northern Albanians settled to Kosovo-That was traditionally more developed economically and industrialy than Albania. The motives of Tito were not humaniterean on the contrary he wanted to "Absorb " Albania in his "Socialistic paradise" with him as the supreme head!

In 1948 there were 498,000 Albanians populating Kosovo and became 1,600,000 by 1991. If someone adds the fact that quite a few immigrated during this period then the only logical conclusion is that the very high birth rates were the decisive factor.

The reason that the West will not easily agree to a Kosovo-Kosova independence is the overpopulation in Western states of their own ethnic minorities (USA-Hispanics, France-Algerians, Germany-Turks, Russia-Muslims, Bulgaria-Turks, etc)

Lastly about the Greek heroes&generals that have Albanian descent allow me to state the following:

More or less the same people you are refering plus other notable personalities of Greek history are labelled as non Greeks by other nations such as FYROM nation!, Bulgarians, Turks even Serbs, Russians and Germans. The last actually believe that all ancient Greeks were "Mediterranenan Germans"!

If I wasn't Greek I would believe that all nations seeking to dominate Eastern Mediterranean and the Aegean are trying to establish a historical presence to the Greek state. I forgot to mention that even Arabs and Jews have from time to time mention that Greeks are "One of them" presumably to gain a secure entrance to Europe.

About the 1944-48 events in Kosovo, read "Albania:From anarchy to Balkan identity by M. Vickers-J. Pettifer, London 1997 and the writings of the Balkanologist George Castellan.

Anyway even if your whole of your arguments were 100% true and accurate then you inderectly implying a confederation between modern day Greece and Albania. And my question is, would you agree with that?

My greetings to rainy London,

Ioannis
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Response to Michaletos:
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:16:09 +0000
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans


Joannis... Please read the attachments i sent you.
At the time speaking, albanians were not only unknown as a factor, but if so, were considered to be the "pro-ottoman" forces of the Balkans.
If there was any concern at all in France, England and Russia about Greece, was the creation of a greek state, and the least expected, the most unwanted proof was the existence of non speaking Greeks in the Greece of that time. Therefore, albanians were the most secluded entity to that process, no matter how much blood they shed against the turks and the aspirations for freedom of a greek brother that would never, i repeat, never forsake the Albanian brother to the cruel hands of the sultans.
You should also know that the very father and main sponsor of the "eteiria", was Ali Pasha Tepelena, a Muslim from Tepelena, Albania, that gave 50 years of freedom and secured prosperity for the Greeks, who also raised the greek language as an official and recognized language in the known Europe.
The latter to come, the Russian general-ambassador, Ypsilanti, not only didn't do anything good for Greece, but tried to establish his own hierarchy and hegemony over all Greeks by causing the counterrevolution and as many as three civil wars in only 5 years time.
As a matter of fact, the exchange between populations with turkey happened, and as many as 500 000+ Albanians were deported to Anatolia as "turks".
Now, honestly speaking.
I don't believe this was the fault or the engagement of all Greeks against Albanians. but what do you know, Greece's suffered under cruel, ultranationalist dictatorships until 1980. And it's proof of history, that ultranationalist regimes have brought the best but for their own people.
The deportation of Albanians to Turkey is a registered clause of modern history, not the remote or ancient history.
Also, the parallels between other European states doesn't comply to this matter, as you must know very well that the new Greece, the Greece after the revolution and independence war, was at least half of the today's Greece. Greece could hardly seize Morea, and had no access whatsoever to the Pindus ridge.
As for the heroes of the revolution, it's not the mere Albanian stupid claims that make them appear Albanian, but the very greek chronicles of the time, their very own origin from Albania(modern) proper as well as their names, culture, language(Albanian) etc, distinguishing them completely from any whatsoever fictious Slavic connection.
And, lastly about this, you should very well know that Slavs are a group of nations in crisis and desperate hunt for a decent identity, as are Greeks when they deny their immediate past and origins.
I stress out again, there's been no immigration between albania and Yugoslavia, whatsoever. this is categorically rejected, not only by the very factual history(please remember that you are not talking about ancient history and claiming that "we miss substantial evidence", we are talking about recent history, the mediatic era, everything if not written in books authored "Herodotus" or "Thuchidites", can be very easily traced and verified.
I tried logic with you. Facts and evidence of history shows that from 1944 the Titoist regime slaughtered more than 150 000 Albanians in Kosova, and causing the massive depopulation of vast Albanian areas as Nish, Podgorica, Vranje, Bitola, Skopje etc. Hundreds of thousands were forcefully ousted from their ethnic homes, fleeing to turkey, America, Canada, Australia, England, France, or even Belgrade itself. These are not to be confused with economic immigrants that had latter to leave Yugoslavia heading to Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Holland, America, etc. They now form communities in hundreds of thousands strong, adding up to 2 millions of Albanians immigrated since the WW2.
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With these facts, i do not in any extent imply any possible confederation between greeks and albanians. Such a confederation is doomed to fail abruptly and desperately within the brain of the dreamer. Greeks have never shown any moral or faithful, trustworthy values, whencesoever and whatsoever to make albanians trust them.
Recent events show that Greeks have nourished the most aggressive racist and genocidal policy(by even developing a mentality) against Albanian immigrants that today make up at least 10% of the entire greek population, and have no human rights whatsoever in the most racist and discriminatory state of the European history. Albanians are killed and cruelly lynched every day in the EU-member state, - Greece.
The last event was trumpeted 3 days ago, whence a tribunal in Crete sentenced to life a greek soldier for the barbarian killing of an Albanian(17 yrs old) youngster in his home; nevertheless and the tribunal refuted to recognize the racist motives of the crime that locked behind bars 5 Greeks and one Bulgarian slut. The declaration has been made public even by some greek deputies, politicians and members of public life(media etc), and the crime was branded as purely racist.
Not to dispute the fact that left the whole world abashed, when Greece attended Albania in a football match three years ago, where the Albanian flag was torn and burned in front of the cameras, and in the national match, not even one single Albanian fan was allowed to get into the stadium, as not only were the tickets sold by proof of identity, passport, name and religion, but even the entry was controlled by police troops.
The whole entire world public was dazzled. This was never heard, nor seen in any sportive event, before. It just happened in Greece.(but not against turkey, against your, if not brothers, at least, your co-sufferers of occupation and oppression; brothers in arms.)
Imagine yourself what the outcome would be.
Greece still has the law of war against Albania, because Italy invaded Greece jumping from Albanian territory, which, Greece not only had not recognized at that time, but forgot to see that Albania itself was invaded first, and that albanians of Greece shed the most valuable blood against Italian intruders.(80 years of illogical law of war against a sovereign independent country and nation)

leaving the past behind, and even the greek stubbornness to recognize the truth between us as a cause of sick nationalism, racism and discrimination,
i would say straight on, that:
I stand for the freedom of peoples, their cultures and languages.
Greece should be free from racism, recognize the Albanian element in its national entity, and make its best to promote and develop both languages, especially greek, but not undermining Albanian.
Societies of brotherhood between Greece and Albania should be constituted immediately to promote true brotherhood and friendship, partnership and cooperation in the highest levels possible between Greece and Albania and vice-versa; as we are the only remnants of antiquity in Europe.
I don't see but hate and hegemony, racism and discrimination emanating from Greece, officially and demotically.
thence i can conclude very easily, that only when Greece will be in trouble again, and as a consequence will see and experience the Albanian BESA(you should know this Albanian word that has "penetrated" greek lexicon, which in fact, never left archaic Albanian while the demotic greek was being formed) again, they might turn to us and understand what they might have been losing and what they've been struggling so fiercely against for almost 2 centuries, - the Albanians, the last of Pelasgians.
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Michaletos To Me:
Date: Wed, Feb 28, 2007 3:41 PM +0200
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans


Zotrules,

I think you are exagerating to a great extent. There are Greeks that have Albanian past, as also they are Albanians in the South of the country that have mixed with Greeks. So what? This is a natural phenomena between nations.

Also during the exchange of populations, 350,000 Muslims left Greece, I doubt any Albanians because all of those people spoke Turkish and were devout Sunni Muslims. Maybe some of those had Albanian descent but that doesn't matter because they considered themselves Turks!

About Ali Pasha it is true that he helped Greeks, but for his own interests that were exactly to create an Albanian-Greek federation against the Sultan. The Christians surrounding his entourage were Greeks, Albanians and Vlachs but they had something in common that you failed to mention: They were all Christian-Orthodox meaning they had a very strong religious bondage between them which at that period was more important than nationality.

I still insist for the 1944-48 events.

Lastly on your statement that Albanians are "lynched each day in Greece" this resembles more like modern Iraq rather than Greece. There are racial conflicts as they are increased organized crime gangs by Albanians. Actually the Albanians in Greece constitute 3-4% of the population but commit around 40-50% of the crimes involving life, property and armed robberies. There are in modern day Greece many nationalities but for instance rarely someone will heard something bad about Chinese, Indian or Polish immigrants. The reason is that the Albanians coming to Greece were repressed by the Communist regime and it takes time until they accomodate in a different society.


For historical reasons, modern day Albanians are composed by two distinct groups. The Ghengi on the North the true descents of the ancient Illyrians and the Tosks that are a mixture of Greeks, Vlachs, Slavs, Turks and Italians-Francs. The former were influential during the Roman Empire and 7 Roman Empires like Diocletanus and Traianus were Ghegi. The orientation of the Ghegi was always Westerward and not Southward therefore it is more likely that Italians have Albanian influence in that sense.

As for the Tosks, they became known and rather strong after they allied with the Ottomans but they are not Albanians that have ancient bonds. Needless to say about the Greek minority in Southern Albania that lives in the same area with the Tosks and was persecuted during the Communist era.

Lastly the Greek and Albanian bilateral relations are very much influenced by Turkey that systematically wants to turn Albania against Greece and as you can well understand this is not in the interests of Greece or for the Balkans that might get into a conflict for this.

Anyway , just reflect on this: Why didn't the Greeks in their long history became either Albanians, Italians, Slavs, Turks, Arabs, etc. Actually even an eskimo if he settles in Greece after a couple of generations his children and grandchildren became "More Greeks than the Greeks".

If you unravell this "secret" then you will find out many things about life itself which is "Infinite, spiral and eternal"
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Response to Michaletos:
Date: Wed, Feb 28, 2007 7:39 PM +0000
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans



Ioannis...

"Also during the exchange of populations, 350,000 Muslims left Greece, I doubt any Albanians because all of those people spoke Turkish and were devout Sunni Muslims. Maybe some of those had Albanian descent but that doesn't matter because they considered themselves Turks!"

The only real turks that Greece could legitimately trade with Ankara, were the remnants of the ottoman garrisons in Greece, and the to some extent, the settlers of Thessaly. But even then, Greece failed, as now Greece in Thessaly, or better, Macedonia, is forced to recognize the existence of the Slav minority and the Turkish minority which outnumbers 300 000.
You should very well be aware of the recent incidents between the peaceful organization "the rainbow" that promotes the Slav heritage in Greece. Greece has officially and cruelly beaten its activists for the mere fact that they defer to call themselves "Greeks".
The trade therefore between Ankara and Greece has been made on the expenses of the Albanian entity of southern Epirus, an ethnic mainland of ancient albanians.
There's treaties, declarations and amendments from the great powers of the time that harshly rebuke Greece upon its genocide. No measures were taken as the fault has been patched to external players of the time. But, the fact remains, you can't deny in any way the greek genocide over Albanians.
This one thing i will make you clear, that as long as I breath, - and i promise, like me, there's a whole lot of people who will give anything to see Greece plunge into the burden of responsibility. Our BESA is that the ground and earth will not rot our bones until Albania takes her honorable place in the pantheon of nations.
Thence, it's not difficult for you to understand that we will offer any possible evidence(which is ready and compiled), historical and living ones to prove the Greek cruel and barbarian genocide upon the divine Pelasgians.
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"About Ali Pasha it is true that he helped Greeks, but for his own interests that were exactly to create an Albanian-Greek federation against the Sultan. The Christians surrounding his entourage were Greeks, Albanians and Vlachs but they had something in common that you failed to mention: They were all Christian-Orthodox meaning they had a very strong religious bondage between them which at that period was more important than nationality."

there we go again... a "modern" greek, very possible an Albanian breed who tries to wash his hands off the fresh-smelling crime, implying the mos shameful of all excuses, the misconception of nationality!!!
Let me enlighten you:
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"nationality" - definition.

nationality [náshə nálləti]
(plural nationalities)
n
1. citizenship of particular nation: the status of belonging to a specific nation by origin, birth, or naturalization
2. people forming nation-state: a people with a common origin, tradition, and often language, who form or are capable of forming a nation-state
3. ethnic group within a larger entity: an ethnic group that is part of a larger entity such as a state
4. nationhood: political independence as a separate nation
5. national character: the character of a nation of people

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved."

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Therefore, religion is never mentioned, as it mainly does when implying the "greek" identity.
By saying so above, i assume that you do admit your betrayal to not only albanians and Ali Pasha Tepelena(a Muslim! not a Christian, that according to any existing evidence raised the greek to be a recognized official language) but to all the other participants of that time, from which only the Greeks resulted as "oi pabesi"(you know this Albanian word that means "the traitors of blood, God and everything human").

Ioannis...

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"Lastly on your statement that Albanians are "lynched each day in Greece" this resembles more like modern Iraq rather than Greece. There are racial conflicts as they are increased organized crime gangs by Albanians. Actually the Albanians in Greece constitute 3-4% of the population but commit around 40-50% of the crimes involving life, property and armed robberies. There are in modern day Greece many nationalities but for instance rarely someone will heard something bad about Chinese, Indian or Polish immigrants. The reason is that the Albanians coming to Greece were repressed by the Communist regime and it takes time until they accomodate in a different society."

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I gave you the freshest of all events. Those greek youths have been sentenced just 4 days ago! What else did you expect? The naked devil?
Since you disregarded that;
Albanians in Greece are not just 3-4% of the population... Albanians in Greece outnumber the million strong. You must know this, as the figures of your government alone exceed the 600 000. Imagine those poor and frustrated albanians that in 16 years haven't been able to accomplish the least of their goals, - live legally in the neighbor country!!! Just try to calculate the numbers.
Thence, they make up at least 10% of the total population, excluding the turks, Slavs, Arabs, Romanians and other immigrants.
You should admit the fact, that this 10% of a 11 million-strong population has the right of its own language, to learn, speak, write and profess it in public places. - right?
Because you Greeks, don't offer any human rights, WHATSOEVER, you assume that by lubricating the tummy of an Arab in order to Hellenize him(and maybe you succeed by doing so), you can have the same attitude with Albanians??? This is never going to happen; so, enjoy that 40-50% of the crimes, robberies etc... It is the fruit of your hard labor, you have the right to reap it, officially.
Thence, it is the fault of of your politics, the racist and discriminatory regime of Greece that turns people into criminals.
This theory of yours, is never going to work with me.
This is the search you should perform before you speak any further:

http://www.amnesty.org/airesults/search?sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&output=xml_no_dtd&oe=UTF-8&ie=iso-8859-1&client=eng&proxystylesheet=eng&site=default_collection&lr=lang_en&q=greece

Ioannis...
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"For historical reasons, modern day Albanians are composed by two distinct groups. The Ghegi on the North the true descents of the ancient Illyrians and the Tosks that are a mixture of Greeks, Vlachs, Slavs, Turks and Italians-Francs. The former were influential during the Roman Empire and 7 Roman Empires like Diocletanus and Traianus were Ghegi. The orientation of the Ghegi was always Westerward and not Southward therefore it is more likely that Italians have Albanian influence in that sense."

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Ghegs are of Illyrian descent, this is a historical fact, you too admit it above.
Therefore, you shouldn't have any objections WHATSOEVER when it comes to the fact that KOSOVA belongs to Albanians, - the GHEGS.
That is what logic could assume from your statement.

As for the Tosks...
Whoaaaa, you've come right to the desired place!
Linguistically proven, the Albanian Ghegs are surprisingly closer to ancient greek than the Albanian Tosks.
This is a fact that has been fully accepted by any ethnologists and linguists that has studied till the second grade.
As for the fictious melange that you claim Tosks might possibly have with Greeks, this falls deteriorately in the grave.
Arbereshi of Italy, Albanian migrants since the 12th century AD, who today make up at least 450 000 in Italy, they speak the very identical dialect as the Tosks of Albania. Of the Tosk dialect are and were the Arvanites of Greece, who together with Arbereshi of Italy are reported to be linguistic groups in danger of extinction directly connected to Albanian Tosks. So well has their Albanian heritage been preserved, that any Tosk Albanian that comes in contact with them, they understand each other perfectly, despite some 8 centuries of "separation".
But, to your surprise, the Tosks build up a natural wall that divides the greek pond from the Gheg one.
But to your surprise, the Gheg and Tosk dialects in Albania and elsewhere, are so close to each other that no one has ever dared to call them more than dialects. Whose definition, i suppose you should know very well, as the dialects of Athena differ from those of even the villages around it.
In fact, Albanians are the most compact nation in Europe, linguistically, morally, culturally and ethnically speaking.
The Gheg and Tosk dialects are virtually the very identical same language, and Ghegs and Tosks have no historically recorded, - slightest difficulty in understanding each other.
This also was a shameful approach, but, just due to misinformation, i suppose.

As for "tosks" and turks, and their first mentioning...
The Tosks are direct descendants of the ancient Epirots, This has been proven linguistically and toponymically. Besides, there's a huge abyss that separates the Tosks from the Greeks, but, there are affinities too, for example, the greek national folkloric costume(just like those national guard soldiers that parade in some of your museums, like acropolis), much of the greek language(dimotiki) bulk was borrowed from the tosk dialect, culture, and folklore itself. That is the reason the region of Pindus ridge sings folkloric songs, completely different from the rest of "Greece".
Also, all the heroes of the greek revolution were Tosk Albanians, excluding the traitor Alexander Ypsilanti and his brother.
Tosks are far more famous than you expect or can possibly learn at school.
Tosks give their name to one of the most notorious regions of Europe, - Toscana, Italy.
Tosks give their etymological name to other regions of ancient Rome, as that of Calabria and Apuglia.
Still the region of Toskeria in Albania is called "Laberia", The tosks are called "LAB", Laberia, and Calabria (Ca, [k: a]) means "here are the Lab".
I challenge anyone who objects this fact, to explain me and the rest of the world the Albanian lexicon that makes up to 50-60% of the "Calabrese" and "Pugliese" dialects of Italy.

Ioannis,
The greek minority has never been oppressed in the communist regime, otherwise, they have been a little more favored than us others.
You should understand that hundreds of thousands of Albanians have perished in that regime, even for a mindless word.
One of my aunts is greek, an ethnic greek, and honestly, they have been living far better than my family during that regime.
Greeks and Albanians have been the same in that system. So have been the Jews etc... The law has been the same rigid and uncomfortable for all, with slight favors for the minorities.
Greeks have had schools in every village, they'd be taught to write and read, learn and be informed in the language they pleased, - Greek.
We all complain about that regime, but i reject any allegations of any Greeks or others, whatsoever that will try to make it appear as "racial", discriminatory or ethnic!


Ioannis..
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"Lastly the Greek and Albanian bilateral relations are very much influenced by Turkey that systematically wants to turn Albania against Greece and as you can well understand this is not in the interests of Greece or for the Balkans that might get into a conflict for this."

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Why do you want to involve Turkey in this matter? Do you hate Albania simply because you think they're in love with Turkey?
We have fought against Turkey, and in the Balkans, the Albanians are the only nation that have raised world-famous heroes.
While the other nations were ready to submit in the harems of Islam, Albanians have sacrificed anything imaginable to keep their identity and nation.
George Castriota Scanderbeg, is the most famous Christian hero against the Turkish Islamic floods in Europe.
His statue can be found as far as Buenos Aires in Argentina.
His grave-memorial was visited twice by Pope John Paul the Second, and he has been vested with the highest Christian title of Athleta Christi, - Protector of Christianity.
The bilateral malfunction and friction between Greece and Albania is attributed to Greece alone and its Xenophobia.
Needless to repeat the law of war that Greece still holds up as a flag,
the mistreatment of Albanians in Greece,
The Greek claims of northern Epirus,
The lively existence of a neglected and forgotten community of Chams that are still alive, who claim their homes and legal properties in Greece, who also remember every single barbarism and cruelty committed to them by the Greeks.
And lastly, the mingling of Greece in the internal affairs of Albania, by hideously claiming the presence of some 12% of Greek minority in Albania, prostituting their inexistent cause in the European institutions, and other horrendous matters of involvement as in the economic, touristic and integrity's endangerment of the republic of Albania, due to the modern greek gluttonous aspirations and territorial greed.

Lastly,
the "secret" is described above.
While others are ready to accept Greek hegemony and racial and religious oppression, Albanians simply will not. Albanians have a separate identity, and definitions of "nationality", "religion", very unlike those in the Greek society.
Albanians will never use religion or nationality to oppress another ethnic group, still, very unlike Greeks.

And just in terms of terminology, to avoid any misconception;
Do not ever try to use Christ against men.
Instead, if you ever claim and profess true Christianity, you should proclaim it to the heathen, or nations of other confessions.
It will be your life that will show your part in Christ.
Genocide and racial discrimination are demonic practices and work against our Lord Jesus Christ and His divine teachings.
You should think it for yourself, - considering your history, tell yourself, how much of Christian have Greeks been with Albanians???
How much are you being today?
Therefore, your national identity(the one you confuse with nationality), - as "Christians" is flushed down the toilet.
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Response of Michaletos to me:
Date: Wed, Feb 28, 2007 10:00 PM +0200
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans


Zotrules,

I believe that we cannot find a common ground, actually we are in totally different terms. We don't agree in any historical, social or other thematic.
What I would like to say though, is that there are a lot of Greeks that resemble you; meaning they portray exagerated and sentimental nationalism and talk about the supremacy of the Greeks, everyone is a descentant of a Greek in the world and how rich the culture is compared with the rest of the world. There are people in Greece that really believe that nations such as France, Germany or Italy have 50 or 60 or 90% Greek blood!.

THIS PEOPLE ARE NUTCASES and the same goes for every person in every nationality that has delusionary ideas about his society.
International politics are conducted with the use of logic and interest and not with fallacies and fantasies.

If you believe that Greeks are like "The devil himself" thats fine by me, we have a free world and anyone can believe whatever he wants. Therefore let me believe that the Albanians tend not to want to be on Friendly terms with the Greeks and moreover the geopolitical interests of Greece are for the time being different than those of Albania.

This does not imply a kind of metaphysical notion, it is just politics and you have to face it. Otherwise Greeks or Serbians or Aliens perhaps would have to commit collective suicide because someone-You perhaps- believes that everything rotten in the world is bread by them.

Lastly do not forget that as long as our little disagreements-And those I believe of Greeks vs Albanians- are on an intellectual form then it can be fun to an extent. Be calm enough and do not get excited and rushed to think that you have to implement your ideology-phantasy-illusion to real life, because as a said "politics is logic" and you might discover that its better to keep somethings to yourself.

About the secret I will reveal a part of it to you, its not that great! The Greeks can absorb any nation because they have been trained to do this since antiquity . During the period of the "City states" Athens-Sparta there were wars all the time between them. So the Greks developed two characteristics very useful

1) Military training for war

2) Diplomacy

1+2= Stick&Carrot policy (Very effective!)

Of course I am not telling you the whole of the secret you'll have to discover the rest by yourself...

One question: Are you really an Albanian or a Greek playing tricky games?
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Response to Michaletos:
Date: Mar 1, 2007 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans


Ioannis...
You may understand anything you choose from what i wrote you.
The case is that i indirectly raised a very plain question to you;
Why does Greece hate albanians?
In the previous email you admitted that albanians of the north, thence, Kosova, are Illyrians.(you know that Kosova could be pinned in the center of ancient Illyria, just try to find a map and peg as much as you want in it)
What in the world then makes Greece, and you yourself to wage a mediatic and diplomatic war against the case of Kosova?
It is the case, and you have very subtly explained below, but, one like me, doesn't digest the hypocrisy.
This one hint you omitted from the definition of politics; that politics resembles much to a whore, and to be a politician, doesn't comply much wit rather than hypocrisy. But, if for you, the use of hypocrisy, or being a hypocrite per se, means to be smart, then, you should be really derailed.
What in the world could Greece hold against albanians and their RIGHT cause in Kosova; wasn't Greece itself once under foreign occupation?
Then, given that Kosovar albanians were granted freedom(they will take it anyway by whatever means) and independence, what would make Greece oppose a possible unification between the republic of Albania and the republic of Kosova?(doesn't Greece want northern Cyprus? hell, they so desperately do!)
Now, since you will never be able to dodge in logic with me, because what we've previously written and you have failed to contest,, even now, do you understand the point?
Do you understand that Greece subconsciously is admitting the fact of genocide and occupation of half the territory of today's Albania and even worse, committing the worst genocide imaginable?
Will then you otherwise explain the law of war against the republic of Albania?
Will you then otherwise explain the territorial, economic and religious aggression against the republic of Albania?
What common ground, other that what Greece and Albania are today, with just a few years of recent history, do you wish to establish with me?
How easier can it get, than trying to explain what we are today is some orphan from the immediate past(where Greece still lives in), and that we, both of us are responsible as caretakers? Greek fault or not, it is the reality, and Albanians have to deal with it by obligation, because, they are there, and they can't hide.
It is easier for the occupier, or the thief to tell his victim to remain calm and be "reasonable", but, reasonable in his terms, since the looter hasn't lost anything yet.
But it factually does come a time, no matter how much we may try our bests to postpone the deadline, that we might experience an outburst.
It is not unwise to deal with it forehand, and get prepared.
We may be laughing and having fun with some email exchange, we may also take this "fairy tale" to some buzuki and drink it over with Albanian raki, but, we will never be able to totally ignore the fact that it may happen one day.
That is why i was telling you what Greeks are doing today.
I believe in consequentiality; nothing that happens happens as an isolated event, there's no phenomena in the known universe that is not part of a chain of events, no matter how short the chain; it won't happen alone, ever. And this brings me to the other principle, that of inevitability.

Earlier, you asked me something regarding a federation of Greeks and Albanians...
I didn't tell you, because it wasn't the case, but i am writing it now.
Greece is doing everything humanly possible to hinder the accession of Albania in EU; (refined politics, you'd call them), therefore, defer any possible friendly coexistence. Unless someone opts to explain it.(the use of false figures that tend to soar to some outrageous 12% of the Albanian population is greek minority, which in fact is less than 1 lousy % since most of them fled to Greece due to economic difficulties since 1991 and on)
Other... If albanians just hated Greece and tend to be in unfriendly terms with Greece, then they wouldn't have flushed in Greece in hundreds of thousands, but in hundreds of thousands heavy armed, (and you should have a clear idea what albanians are able to do!)
But, oppression and slavery have been present everywhere in the world and one day they've ceased, who the earlier, who the latter.
Thence, don't expect even in modern times to find smiling and happy, cheering; kicked, mocked, killed, beaten and humiliated, oppressed people.

Other... i didn't say that i believe that Greeks are the devil himself, I am just trying to bring you to your senses when you try to use the Lord Jesus to excuse your atrocities, when you use the Bible to excuse the sin, when you try to use Christ to give the evil a better taste.

It just wouldn't have been so impossible(in cardinal terms) for you to admit the document of Chams and the facts it contains therein, therefore, you just unconsciously let me believe that what you've written below, that was the real joke. I assume that you, yourself are in no possible way involved in the genocide and ethnic cleansing described in my previous email, still you didn't object it in principle, but still, you jumped in self defense.

And still, you write against Albanians, without knowing their cause, proselytizing the absent minded public opinion against Albanians and blurring and marring the history itself.
Now try to apply that finest politics of logic you have defined below...

(you see that i am calmer than you feel?)
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Response of Michaletos to me:
Date: Mar 1, 2007 1:42 PM +0200
Subject: Re: COMMENT: Briefing on the Muslim communities in the Balkans


Hi Zotrules,

Well I will start with Kosovo. Myself-And as far as I know the official line and sentiment of the Greek people- is to grant total autonomy to Albanians and not to establish the past Serbian order. That means that the present minorities ie-Serbs, should be protected as well and also that the organized crime syndicates along with the maveric Wahhabis should be dealt with. As far as I know the Albanian-Kosovo politicians cannot deal with organized crime because if they do that their future won't be bright....

Moreover any move towards in uniting Kosovo(If it becames independent) will create the framework for a Balkan conflict. You have to understand that moves by any country influence the balance of power and a move by Albania would be followed by a move of Serbia in Bosnia, a one by Albanians in FYROM, a move by Greece to North Epirus, a move of Turkey to Western Thrace and S. Bulgaria, a move by Russia in the Caucasus and so on. If you want instability and war and believe that this is "fun" and "cool" then I suggest you join the USA Marines go to Iraq for a few months and then come back with some fresh ideas on the issue...

By your writings the only logical conclusion that I can draw is that Albanian nationalists have plans of destabilazing the Balkans and should they get the chance they will stage attacks all over the place. You are a smart person to understand that all of these are actually against the real interests of the Albanian people that is being preached by domestic nationalists towards catastrophe. I know the Balkans very well to tell you that you should NEVER rely on foreign nations to assist you with your "ambitions". It seems that you haven't understood that USA and the West helped Kosovo Albanians not because they "Saw the light" but because they wanted to drive Milocevic and his Russian-Chinese friends out of the area. Now I don;t think they have any problem to negotiate with Belgrade which is in geopolitical terms far more important than Tirana.

In a nutshell, the interest of Albania is to modernize itself -Economicaly, socially and politically-. Otherwise the Albanians are going to miss vital opportunities in today's globalized world and will always remain acast of the developments in the Balkans.

About the "genocide against Albanians in Greece etc" why don;t you try to make a paper and publish it to a historical journal in every country in the world you like -Apart from Turkey for obvious reasons!- You'll discover that all historians will easily rebuff your ideas because such thing is non-existent. I could talk for hours myself about the genocide of Greeks in Sicily by the Italians because there were Greek cities there-Magna Grecia-. Well after hundreds of years the Italian influence was stronger and now only 30,000 Greeks live in Southern Italy. If I send an e-mail to an Italian author saying that I accuse him for genocide, I would most probably been laughed upon.

It is simple: Deal with organized crime, Wahhabis and nationalism- and then we could all have a nice time in United Europe. Otherwise is like asking the rest of the Balkans to self-destroy. Are they that stupid? (Rhetorical question)
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Me to Michaletos:
Mar 21, 2007 4:50 PM


hi Ioannis...
It's still me, you should remember our last mail exchanges.

I am writing this new email, just to notify you, that you are becoming unreadable.
Now, i should clear you with the idea of the difference upon two entries: "journalist" and "analyst".
You are trying to promote yourself in some serbian sites, who more than anything else express the plain and open desperation and need for a nationalist identity of the serbs in the Balkans.
Strangely enough, both these professions intricate with each other, and sometimes, one can be both or even be one of them behaving as the other.
One of the major bridges the analyst should cross with the journalist is the bridge of investigation; whereas, neither the journalist, nor the analyst, should feel morally comfortable when it comes in inventing things, issues or stumble blocks of any kind, especially when even the possibilities of raising such a dust is are at least visible in the horizon.

Ioannis.
There's as much drugs and illegal trafficking going on in Greece, that the clouded and transitional Kosovo is reduced to a comedy of a very bad taste.
Common sense, of a slightly educated individual(let alone that of an analyst, or even a wanna-be analyst like yourself), tells any one in this ignorant world that drugs and traffics don't rain-drop from heaven,
and it becomes even more impossible when discussing about Kosovo that everybody in this world knows very well that it is a land-locked province, ruled by the UN and NATO, where there's even a considerable
Greek contingent and military presence; exactly in order to prevent such issues from happening.

What is trafficking?
What is the drug business and how is it run?
Who doesn't agree that the drug business is inevitably connected to the traffics, and can't be run otherwise?
Just to clarify the definition of "traffic":
It is vital to have two (or more) communicating points in order to be able to talk about "traffic".
It is indispensable that these points be live communicating points, as where one is used as entry and the other as exit.
It is only and only then when you can talk about a drugs network.

But, here we are, talking about Kosovo; a landlocked region run by a foreign, most democratically driven forces of the first world.
Kosovo borders with Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Albania.
It is crucial to get into logical terms that in order to be able to speak about traffic in Kosovo(in or out), at least one of these countries should be held as much as responsible.
On the other side, Kosovo, as it is considered by jar heads like yourself, as the gateway to Europe and major trafficking, mafia-ruled drug haven, it becomes vital to understand that there's other countries,
European countries involved in this traffic. (example, Germany or GB) It is also logical, that Kosovo cannot and must not fight for the integrity of German police forces, or government, as it is not a responsibility of Kosovo to make improve the German police work, or any other countries task forces, customs etc. Therefore, by brandishing stupidity as a flag, the invention of "facts", slanders and other gossips, doesn't work with us, the simple readers, but, may very well achieve a great harvest in the pens of ignorant layers of the Serbian and greek society, whose very roots are sipping the sick nationalist mythological sap.

I could remind you very well the period of 1993-1999, when Albania was the most criticized government in Europe(accused mostly and mainly by the greek neighbor), towards its policy and capability to control its borders, which resulted as the main trafficking gateway to the mainland Europe, of precisely, human and drug trafficking.
Precisely during that time, at least 90% of the drugs that was being shipped from Albania to Italy was of a Greek provenience, and except for the Albanian nationals clandestine flux, all the rest, (Kurdish,
Turkish, Chinese and Arab) were of greek provenience. Every month, the Albanian authorities returned to the greek counterpart in the frontier and border crossings, as well as the port authorities, hundreds of Kurdish, Arab and Chinese illegal immigrants. Still, a good part of which could manage to benefit from the trafficking across the Otranto straight to the Italian territory and thus, make it to the European
mainland. Therefore, Greece was the source of all the trafficking "goods" and the main supplier to the Albanian "mafia" of that time.
Not for nothing has the European council pulled the ears of Greece, by even threatening her(greece's) decommissioning from the European union several times.
Therefore, your "trafficking and drug dealing" theory, is simply a boomerang that cannot be thrown if you fail to hold Greece responsible first-hand, as a major trafficking port and gateway to the mainland
Europe. As it is impossible to make any claims on the responsibility of any state, region or government without blaming the whole chain of involved countries and respective governments involved or suffering by this phenomenon.

The second issue, better a claim of the modern Serbo-Greek mythology, is the wahabist involvement of the Kosovo society whatsoever.
Any mentioning whatsoever of such an involvement, is driven by reasons of purely nationalistic and racial discrimination. As i have stressed previously to you, Greece, and Serbia, are suffering by the deepest nationalist crisis of identity even in their history, thus they try to rebuild their national-religious consciousness(a very greek term of what the modern society could understand as "nationality"). Thus, the very means to achieving this goal, is to attack other nationalities, of a purely separate values and identity, by often ignoring what the immediate outcome of such a stand may be.
It should be considered an honor and a very valuable contribute by the "affected" entities of the region, such and explosion of ignorance and desperate attack from the neo-mythologists of the region, the Greeks and Serbs, as the outcome of such coup-de-tail by such species, societies or mobs(nationalistic identities) in way of extinction(similar to dinosaurs), given that the more desperate, slanderous and fictive these attacks become, the faster their backward values will disappear, thus resulting in a faster renewal of real values of humanity(desperately missing in Greek-Serbian societies) therefore, the conclusion should be expected by anyone.
There's no wahabist movement or involvement neither in Kosovo, nor in Albania. Any such approach to gossips like that is doomed to fail badly and painfully.
Needless to mention that the general contribution to the European values from the Balkan countries is led by albanians, and not even closely followed by Greeks who today more than ever are the most backward nation of the region, who in their side, have never ever made the slightest contribution whatsoever in the common values of the European nations.

It is therefore understandable an attack of this kind against the albanians, as the Greeks have nothing to offer, as they have no national identity, and no approach whatsoever to the mainland European culture
and values.
If there really existed problems of that kind, Greece would normally be involved to contribute and help resolve and target those issues, rather than pathologically yield accusations and show its total infirmity when coming to prove any relations whatsoever between reality and such desperate claims, thus, by reducing the overall role of the greek society and government to clusters of necrophagous parasites.

Lastly, there's no use at all to lecture you about historical, anthropological, ethnic and cultural facts of the Balkans and more widely, Europe.
Take care of yourself, and fight harder into deceit, fantasy, slanders (etc) worthy only to a greek.
Greece will start to live, only when her father dies and rots buried underground,,, that is, NEVER.
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Response of Michaletos to me:
Mar 21, 2007 6:13 PM


Hi Zotrules,

It seems you didn't pay enough attention to the thematic of the article(s) you supposedly read.

Firstly I explained that drugs are produced in Asia (Mostly) and travel throughout Europe via multiple countries. The Kosovo "Connection" is the existence of a well formed network of: Storage facilities, labs, and most importantly the "asylum" this place has for organized crime. Of course production of heroin occurs in Afghanistan and Central Asia, but Kosovo is a very important "Network" facility, by which drugs reach Europe far easier than they should.
You mentioned that Greece has drug trafficking etc. Of course it has like most countries in Europe! The difference is that the "Crime lords" do not shake hands with the Prime Minister or head of the police! And they try to stay as low as possible because a lot of them actually spend a considerable time in prison.


My sources for the above are mostly Western. I use reports by American institutes, the FBI, CIA, Europol, Interpol, European Union etc. Moreover I use material that has been trasmitted on the international media or it has been announced in scientific conferences across the world.
If you have noticed, I don't use much material from Greek media or Serbian, exactly because I want to make certain that no one could say that I "Use propaganda etc". Unfortunately you still believe so, even though the international Western media regularly transmit the same data I am presenting.

The existence of UN forces in Kosovo does not assure that organized crime will not exist. Kosovo has unemployment 0f 50% and some very few rich individuals that profit from crime. The UN has basically failed to check crime in the region, and this is something I also mention often. About the extremist Muslims, there are tons of data from across the globe that fully confirm their existence; along with names, hideouts, photos and their connections. Actually even Albanian newspapers in Tirana mention that quite often, I am really surprised that you fail to notice that.

I will have to state once more that I am not attacking nationalities, but behaviors. If I wanted to attack the Albanian nationality I would use propaganda and smear campaign which by the way is much easier to produce that a paper and far more effective "For the world masses". There are quite a few Greeks, Serbians etc that write on Balkan affairs; but you are not going to find any other than me who conceives his views on data, research and straightforward presentation. Most of the other journalists (And that includes Albanians as well) just accuse and say "You are racist etc etc"

Lastly about Greece as trafficking source and so on. Besides the fact that Greece has fewer problems than the rest of the Balkans I can tell you of my personal experience. I served as in the Greek Navy patrolling between Greek-Turkish borders. Every day there arrests and confiscations of smuggling goods-drugs-immigrants, coming from Asia. Greece spends huge amounts of money and employs thousands of personnel in order to check the flow of drugs from Asia to Europe. The only problem is that the other way of reaching their target is to go via Bulgaria, FYROM, Kosovo, Montenegro to Italy. Therefore as long as this Balkan road exists, Europe will have to face the consequences.

One question: In your last line you write "Only when her father dies". Who is the father or what exactly do you mean by father?
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Me To Michaletos:
Mar 22, 2007 3:01 PM


Ioannis!
You don't have to answer anymore my emails, especially when you clearly show to have no clues whatsoever in the points you try raise.

"The Kosovo "Connection" is the existence of a well formed network of: Storage facilities, labs, and most importantly the "asylum" this place has for organized crime. Of course production of heroin occurs in Afghanistan and Central Asia, but Kosovo is a very important "Network" facility, by which drugs reach Europe far easier than they should."

It is not the sources you are trying to use, it's the way you try to use it, thus, by even not being able to introduce them as reliable sources after all.
What connection are you talking about?
How does all this merchandise, first hand "goods" of traffic reach the Kosovar soil? Does it rain into the Kosovar soil, does it beam up to Kosovo star trek-like?

I can see by myself how you get the info from CIA, but don't forget to check every other country, sections of drugs and illegal trafficking is genuinely the very same for each one of them; Greece included.
"a gateway to Europe for traffickers smuggling cannabis and heroin from the Middle East and Southwest Asia to the West and precursor chemicals to the East; some South American cocaine transits or is consumed in Greece; money laundering related to drug trafficking and organized crime" https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gr.html. check it for yourself.

But since it comes to Kosovo issue, and you explicitly, not for no reason write on this topic, you do your "best" to stigmatize an innocent people, with far ancient history, far and distinctive culture, traditions, language and values from any of the other barbaric surrounding nations, - Greece included even as an indispensable catalyst in the reaction against good and humane values.
Thence, it is not the case to rub your hands as innocent, nor even try to pull anyone's leg.
As it is not the case, that i should come up with the idea to nail Greece with a "strong" article, by treating only drugs, criminality, trafficking or money laundering... this is the case of any, every, all, none left behind, country in the world.
This too, can be used as raw material to broadcast in any international media, thus serve as a reliable source for you or your friends in the future. and specifically, those like you write about Kosovo in that manner of slanderous propaganda, telling absolutely total bullshit to the public opinion, and at a latter step are used by yourself in the article below, brainwashing the Serbs or any uneducated American dullard that happens to click the serbianna by mistake, and you still got some reason to brag and boast, since you have been using such crap info, definitely and ultimately nonsense and inventive sick fantasy, as whatchacallit? - "reliable western sources".
Lastly, if you really feel so comfortable when you talk about Greece, then you ignore the reality.
To me, it doesn't make any sense, that you should feel so great about a Greece that has exactly the same amount of problems/population as any other country in the Balkans; if you were just a little wise, you'd've understood already that the only thing Greece is doing better than Albania i "hiding" the real problems which per se, are more visible across the border. But if this is the case to feel comfortable about, go ahead, fine by me, it's your country and that should be the best you'd want for it.
Still at the end, you remention Kosovo as a gateway...
beam transportation does not exist yet; no matter how fond of Star trek you and i might be. Even then, teletransportation needs by default two ports, the beam-up and beam-down ports. it can't be done otherwise. And to my and your own knowledge, Kosovo doesn't own any territory outside its own borders, far more impossible own any territory likely in any western countries, which makes even more impossible when you think of the status of Kosovo in the interim. (that is run by western forces, mainly from democratic countries, and then the UN, and even backed by a considerable greek contingent. therefore, in a country with at least 17 000 armed to the teeth foreign, western soldiers, NATO guns and hotshots, the least responsible of all regarding no matter what the problem; is Kosovo, and the Albanian(and others) population of Kosovo.
That is all for now. you should think for yourself and do the homework on the topic "how much of integrity and morale are you using when you behave as a journalist, or analyst".
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Response of Michaletos to Me:
Mar 22, 2007 6:01 PM

Zotrules,

Even though you wrote that I don't have to answer, I'll have to clarify (Again) the way Kosovo functions for organized crime. I'll give you an example: An Italian (Or Albanian, Turk, German etc) criminal head, has only one place in Europe to hide in relative ease. That is Kosovo, provided tha he knows "The right people there". Of course you have thousands of NATO troops there, but they are military and they don't have orders to act as police officers. Moreover the small international police force, stationed in Pristina does not have the resources needed to act. There are some leading figures across the world, that are using the Kosovo-Albanians as " frugs handlers" so as to make some serius money. This people -that I think you know who I am mean-believe in one thing; Money.
The Albanians in Kosovo are actually being used by a handfull of their leaders that are eager to become filthy rich and at the same time they play the game of some of the worst elements of the international community. Just imagine that most of the capital invested in Kosovo by the international community over the past few years has been directed in certain individuals, whilst the majority of the people are unemployed and prey to exploitation.
Now what i suppose you are thinking is why I am writing about Kosovo. Well, I write for many other things, Kosovo happens to be in the spotlight over the past few months, so it is natural for everyone to pay attention. I also write about Greece, Turkey, Middle East, security issues and other. Serbianna has of course a pro-Serbian stance(Judging by its name!) and myself I believe that the Greek interest lay more with Belgrade rather than with Kosovo-Albanians. But I don;t mind if Albanian journalists systimatically portray a dismaying image of Greece and cajole their Turkish colleauges. They do their job and I do mine.
Lastly I would be gratefull if you can explain me the question I posed around "Who is Greece's father". You mentioned something like that on your previous e-mail and sounds intriguing!
Ioannis
P.S I am afraid you are not really accustomed with the Balkans and Albanian affairs. You have the genre of a Diaspora Albanian that is fervently nationalistic withoout taking into account reality and political practicalities. Would you be surprised to know that most Balkan leaders and administrations(Yes even Serbians and Albanians), actually cooperate when it comes to money? The only thing that bonds everyone in the region is money regardless of the fact that most of the leaders have tried to kill one another. Some things never change in this part of the world...
Try to broaden your view and do not become a nationalistic caricature that will be used and abused by "Great patriots" that live in villas and have French champagne with awesome Russian chicks. Unless if your ambition is to become one of those...
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Me to Michaletos:
Mar 23, 2007 1:53 PM


See Ioannis? That is exactly what i told you before.
You write about Kosovo in serbianna, you don't praise Kosovo, in particular its current issue, and more precisely, the Albanians, as the indigenous population of Kosovo. You didn't mention a good point, a good side, a line of progress that Kosovo has made... And if it had, it should be thanks to the internationals.
That is why i reproach you and your articles. That is why you are becoming unreadable.

You write against albanians, on pure purpose, deliberately, you vomit all the evil and poison upon their(albanians') image, you do your best to demonize some people you don't even know.
I doubt you have ever had the chance to visit Albania, or Kosovo. Things like this, concerning Albanians, you can't discuss with me, i was born there, was raised there, and was introduced to Jesus there; there was i baptized in the name of Jesus and the presence of 100 muslims that were clapping hands in my support.
It is there that i learned everything i know. I have all the rights to oppose and object your "facts", the way you write your articles, your evil purposes, the venom you spill around so unjustly and unfairly. In a few words, there's nothing under the sun that you can possibly teach me about albanians(greeks, and serbs too), the situation there, and possibly show me how the pawns may move in the great Albanian quest.
And, don't you ever even dream that you would care more about Albania than i do, don't you even think that a targeted problem will be avoided by me, or ignored in the frame of a "good image" of a sick society. I know what the problems are, i know their source, i know who suffers from them, i know how many of them are inventions to stall Albania to death. I won't be happy for their existence, but i surely will if they were dealt fairly, in a godly if not humane way. But when such things, inventions or truths, are used to please somebody's demons, nightmares, thirst for blood, to achieve some deplorable, despicable, abominable and abhorrent goals, don't you ever expect me to welcome that curse.

If you Ioannis, are paid by any of your bloodthirsty lobbings there, then you can call it a job. For, inasmuch as hateful and abominable your greecity may be to me(and the rest of humanity) it will never be a JOB to me to destroy you, or seed hate against you. Thence, if your JOB is to spill hate and disgust against a certain nation(that strangely happens to be albanians), don't expect to receive flowers in return, and don't even dare to be "amazed" at "why?" do they hate the Greeks?

And, God save us, that your intentions and interests weren't closer with the Serbs... they just finished the massive genocide. 300 000 bosnians went to hell, some tens of thousands of Croatians, some 20 000 albanians, some 1 million chased out of their homes packed in trains WW2-like(jews) and rovering and roaming the mine-mushrooming mountains... Well, i have to admit it, it is grand achievement even Greece has all the rights to be jealous about.
Therefore, in a few, poor words, i do understand your stand.

Said all the above, no more need to instruct you any further, no need to start teaching you... You know where the hammer is hitting, and no need at all to jam the cd by repeating myself. That is why, you are a breed of necrophagous fungi, feeding on dead ground and on dead corpses, an abomination in the eyes of our Lord.

This is a passage from the Albanian(some 23 millions of albanians worldwide) national anthem.

For God Himself uttered out,
that nations will perish from the Land,
But Albania will live forever
for her, for her we fight and stand.
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